So I think most people have concluded that the creation of COVID was probably not what they told us.

It probably didn't evolve naturally out of a pangolin in a seafood market.

And that the Wuhan Institute of Ruralogy probably played a role.

The U.S. government played a role.

But it is impossible to find anyone, or it has been for us anyway, to find anyone who has kind of like direct connection to any of the main players here.

None of them will do an interview.

None.

You were the vice president of the EcoHealth Alliance.

Your former military guy ties to the Intel world. You worked at federal nuclear

lab in New Mexico for years. And then you wind up at your scientist Ph.D. And then you wind up

working for EcoHealth Alliance in New York City. You think it's like this World Wildlife Fund operation designed

to like track diseases among wildlife globally and protect the wildlife, protect the people. It's like

kind of a crunchy outfit. It's do-gooters, basically. You show up there, you help them raise a bunch

of money from the feds, and you become the vice president. and then you discover it's not what you thought. So that's the story that you told me at breakfast, which is an amazing story. Thank you again for coming. I'm going to bow out now and let you continue the story from there, assuming I've been faithful in my rendition of it so far. That's perfectly accurate.

And thank you for having me.

This is sort of like a dream of mine.

Oh, well, I'm so excited you're here.

And because this has been gnawing at me, you know, where did COVID come from?

And how is the U.S. government implicated?

It clearly was, but you never meet anyone who can say that they know the players, but you do.

So with that, you show up there, you become VP of EcoHealth Alliance, the now famous EcoHealth Alliance.

And when did you start to realize this wasn't the World Wildlife Fund?

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