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The Daily

The Lonely Work of a Free-Speech Defender

The Daily

The New York Times

Daily News, News

4.4102.8K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Warning: This episode contains strong language and mentions of suicide. Over the past year, the federal government has taken a series of actions widely seen as attacks on the First Amendment. Greg Lukianoff, the head of a legal defense group called the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, speaks to Natalie Kitroeff about what free speech really means and why both the left and the right end up betraying it.

Transcript

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0:00.0

From the New York Times, I'm Natalie Ketrow-F.

0:07.0

This is the Daily.

0:09.0

After years and years of illegal and unconstitutional federal efforts to restrict free expression,

0:15.0

I will also sign an executive order to immediately stop all government censorship and bring back free speech to America.

0:25.9

President Trump began his term with a promise.

0:29.7

He would restore free speech in America after what he said were the left's attempts to limit it.

0:35.7

Never again will the immense power of the state be weaponized to persecute political opponents.

0:42.9

But over the past year, the federal government has taken a series of actions, widely seen as direct attacks on the First Amendment.

0:51.2

Trump threatened to deport non-citizen college students and other international visitors

0:57.6

who take part in pro-Palestinian protests.

1:00.0

Donald Trump declared on social media that comedian Seth Myers jokes about him were,

1:07.1

quote, 100% anti-Trump, which is probably illegal.

1:13.4

Moves that supercharged a furious debate over free speech in the United States.

1:18.8

A staunch proponent of free speech, Charlie Kirk openly debated hot-button issues.

1:23.4

But in the wake of his death, that fundamental right is being challenged.

1:27.0

If you're going to spread hateful shit and you're going to target marginalized groups of people,

1:31.9

don't be all, oh my God, I've been shot.

1:34.3

So when you see someone celebrating Charlie's murder, call them out in hell, call their employer.

1:39.5

You believe in canceling and deplatforming people who platform people that you do not like.

1:44.8

And that goes against all of the principles of conservatism.

1:47.6

So this fall, I spoke with Greg Lukianoff, the head of a legal defense group called

1:52.4

the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, or Fire.

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