I remember the first time somebody said to me during an interview that something or other was demonic, used the word demonic.

I cannot have been more than six years ago when I was completely shocked that someone would use that term because it's not a political term.

It doesn't even describe like any human social interaction.

It's a spiritual term.

And I just was not used to people using spiritual terms to describe social

movements or political developments or whatever but I think in that time in the last six years

things have really changed and I hear it all the time it's demonic they're demons there is this

sense that there's a spiritual underpinning that there's something going on beneath the surface in

American society and in the world that's affecting outcomes and spiritual underpinning, that there's something going on beneath the surface in American

society and in the world that's affecting outcomes and affecting populations and like there's

spiritual war in progress. You, and I hope you'll explain this, and I'll get out of the way

in a second, but you kind of stumbled into an extended research project on this topic?

Are there actual occult connections to Hollywood, to political figures, to technological advances,

to the leaders of our society?

Or some of them actually practicing occult religion.

Yeah, Tucker, it's about as weird as you said.

Some would say, I think we're going to find out, even weirder.

I'm aware of.

No, and if I was, it was a very amateur theologian.

No, I'm not a scholar as many will find out about newer.

But how did you wind up come into the conclusion that, you know, the people who, some of the people who help shape our culture or build our technology or practicing a cult, literally practicing occult religion? I'll tell you. Well, you know, I was working on a television show, you know, trying to build out this show. I should back up. I come from a Hollywood family, Tucker. My grandfather was the actor Robert Conrad. If you've, some of your listeners, Wawa West, Black Sheep Squadron, he'd go way back, Hawaiian I.

My other grandfather, Harry Flynn, was a publicist for decades, and the monkeys, bewitched, I Dream of Jeannie.

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