So we're told there's no state religion in the West, certainly not in the United States, but in fact there is. It's scientism. It's the worship of science. It's the belief, and all of us learn this at a young age, that everything around us, everything we experience can be measured by people in white coats. That's science. If it can't be measured, it's not real. The problem with this

religion is that our life, our daily experience, contradicts it. Constantly, all of us are seeing,

hearing, tasting, feeling things that can't be measured by science. But it doesn't make them any less

real. These are, by definition,

supernatural. Supernatural experiences are a feature of everyone's life. And if we're honest, we'll admit

that. So what do they mean exactly? Well, Lee Strobel was a reporter. He worked for the Chicago

Tribune and left and became a pastor. So he has religious faith,

but also a grounding in empiricism, the desire to prove things. He is the perfect person to write the

book that he did about the supernatural. That would be dreams, mystical dreams, near death

experiences, miracles, ghosts.

We set down to them to hear just how common these experiences are and what they mean. Lee Strobel. So you've written a book. I don't do a lot of book interviews.

I couldn't resist this one. Seeing the supernatural, investigating angels, demons, mystical dreams, near-death encounters, and other mysteries of the unseen world.

Right.

I think a lot of a sense or know on some level, in fact, I think everybody knows on some level that there is a world that science can't measure or quantify.

Yeah.

That there is, you know, that there's stuff that we can't explain.

Yeah.

But that it's no less real for our inability to explain it.

So let's go through the list.

Yeah. You know, by the way, I was an atheist. I'm trained in journalism and law. And so I'm always

looking for corroboration. I'm looking for evidence. I'm looking for facts. And so you're right.

I think there's an intuitive sense that most people have that there's something beyond what we can see

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