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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

Most Replayed Moment: Can Eye Movements Heal Trauma? Bessel Van Der Kolk Explains EMDR Therapy!

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett

FlightStory

Society & Culture, Business, Education

4.613.2K Ratings

🗓️ 19 September 2025

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Bessel van der Kolk is a psychiatrist and best-selling author best known for his groundbreaking book The Body Keeps the Score. A pioneer in the study of trauma, he explores how trauma reshapes both mind and body, and how people can find pathways to healing through therapies that go beyond talk alone. In today's Moments episode, Bessel explains why simply reliving a traumatic memory isn’t enough to heal, and dives into EMDR - how it works, why it’s effective, and guides Steven through a live demonstration. Listen to the full episode here! Spotify: https://g2ul0.app.link/IlUlTu5jLWb Apple: https://g2ul0.app.link/t1VI0Z9jLWb Watch the episodes on YouTube: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/%20TheDiaryOfACEO/videos⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:33.3

How many people do you think, I mean this is maybe a ridiculous question, but how many people, what percentage of people do you think have trauma in some form,

0:42.8

how you define it?

0:44.2

You know, the figures are a quarter of people get physically abused,

0:48.3

one of five people got sexually abused, one of eight kids, witnesses, violence being their parents, etc., etc.

0:58.6

So, you know, if I sit in a room, it's not a binary issue, it's not ideal traumatized.

1:06.3

You didn't get traumatized, but when I talk to a room of professionals, which I do a lot, I assume that

1:13.8

at least half the group viscerally knows what trauma means. And what is trauma doing to my brain?

1:20.6

You said you've done a lot of neuroimaging scans. If I was traumatized and you scanned my brain,

1:26.4

is there something you could see?

1:28.2

Not necessarily.

1:29.0

I can see how your brain may be different from other people's brains.

1:34.1

I may take a particular population.

1:36.5

You can average it out and you can say,

1:38.7

or there's a little more activation of the periactyl to gray,

1:42.9

a little bit less of the bright insulin.

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