From the New York Times, I'm Natalie Kittrowef.

This is the Daily.

In the years since Donald Trump roared back to power, one of the most surprising

storylines of his second term has been a series of increasingly

public ruptures between the president and the movement he created.

On everything from affordability to foreign wars, key figures on the right are now daring to challenge

Trump's priorities and his effectiveness.

Today, my colleague Robert Draper on the growing tensions inside the MAGA movement and what they tell us about what the American right might look like in a post-Trump world.

Music It's Thursday, December 11th.

Robert, hi, welcome back to the show.

Thanks so much for having me.

So we're coming to you because for several years now, you've been reporting extensively on the right.

And as a part of that, you spent a lot of time with some of the key figures in the MAGA movement,

some of whom have started to openly speak out against the president.

And so we're hoping you can help us understand what's been happening in the relationship between President Trump and his movement,

which, until recently, looked pretty unshakable. Yeah, in a sense, Natalie, what's taking

place is in step with what historically has transpired with presidencies, that after a certain period, a president begins to take on the appearance of being a lame duck.

He no longer is in full control of the agenda, and the party begins to look at life after him.

But typically, that has taken place after the midterms, after a two-year period.

And so what's really notable is that this president is now just 10 to 11 months in, beginning to show the signs of weakness

that historically we associate with a lame duck when, in fact, he should not be a lame duck.

Right.

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